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Howdy pardner...

I'd like to welcome you to this here page o'mine, which has been whipped up in no time flat to give some support and outside discussion to the presently stunned Mambo open source project and community.

Why you say? What the heck is this all about? Well pilgrim, you've found yer way to just the place ya'll need to be to get those queries answered. Sure 'nuff this here place is where we can maybe have a chuckle over what's been goin' down of late, maybe even open some eyes to where this all could be headed.

So kick back in front o' the fire and we'll spin some yarns about what could be the biggest showdown Mambo has ever seen in the ol' west

Thankye kindly fer visitin',

The Lone Mamber

Monday, September 05, 2005

It's open source, Jim, but not as we know it!

Another day, another nail in the coffin of the Mambo Foundation, pilgrims...

As I mentioned in a report a couple of days back, Foundation board member Jim Begley has been sayin' some right odd things about what's bein' seen as acceptable in Mambo releases under the new Sherrif's rule.

Smug is...Smug does

The past two recountin's I've made about this have been taken from one of those ramblin' and pointless conversation threads on the old mamboserver forums. Started by idigital with the title "Ill treatment of Third Party Developer's release announcement", it was a smoke signal to others of the goin's on what many of us called the ol' homestead for some time.

Well, maybe just I'd call 'em that.

Anyways, after the fuzzy haired moderators and their pets had their fun trouncin' the discussion, Mr. Begley tumbled drunkenly through the saloon doors, proclaimin' he'd had a profound insight.

That there was one of 'em metaphors by the way, I can't rightly say if he was drunk or not.

"Templates should not really "advertise" anything, other than attribution to the developer of the template. If you introduce new or enhanced functionality, but force the user to take the advertising in order to get the improved functionality, you are not really keeping in the spirit of Open Source. If a template does contain advertising, it should be simple to turn off or delete by the average Mambo user."
A representative of Miro's Mambo, proclaimin' the evils of advertisin' in open source products? An odder thing aint happened since I drank that magic cactus drink with the injuns.

He's sayin' that they don't want 3PD advertisin' in the add-ons they release for Mambo, such as banners, images, link backs to their sites and such. On the surface that might look like a fair thing to expect, but you know what they say about shit floatin'.

The community devs that create all the new fangled gadgets to plug in to Mambo to make it do extra stuff, they make this stuff for the community. They aint gettin' paid, so who can blame 'em puttin' a small "advertisement" to their home sites.

Most of which don't even sell anything, by the by.

Never mind that Mambo includes linkbacks to their main site within the software, and not only that the default banner system includes ads for Miro products and has done for some time by my reckonin'.

Then the smug buggers has the gall to put his plan to the "community" left over the on the ol' homestead, as if it is some kinda community service he's performin'.

"To the community:
What are your feelings? What kind of advertising would be appropriate in templates, and how difficult should it be to defeat / turn off? Should existing distributed Mambo templates be reviewed / revised to strip out any included advertising?"
Should we sign our souls over to the dark side now, or wait till our Foundation membership is confirmed?

Shortly after the last post in that thread, it was deleted. Possibly someone had just said too much, because this kinda statement is gonna make hundreds of Mambo developers see red.

There's the other thing, anyone supportin' the new Joomla is suddenly no longer considered a member of the Mambo community, it seems. Just because I aint a Miro fan, don't mean I'm gonna start callin' meself the Lone Joomla-er or some such.

Crazy times, crazier than the second time I had that magic cactus juice, which in hindsight I shoulda left for longer than half an hour after the first time.

Right, so after seein' what happened on that there thread I called on idigital to mosey on over here for a fireside chat of what's gone down:

Welcome pardner, mosey on up to the fire and tell us what's been goin' on over there?

Well, I've been away from Mambo for some time and just came back to it recently, just when I'd gotten comfortable this split with Miro happened. It was obvious Miro had gone against the core dev team when there were no comments from them after the announcement. I think most people decided to make the move with the team after that, and I've been so impressed with the level of activity on Open Source Matters I decided to create a backend template with an OSM theme.
How did this "backend template" get ya'll in so much trouble?

I have to admit that I created the template so that for the community waiting for Joomla wouldn't have to keep looking at that ugly old Mambo administrator. To be fair it was great when it was first released, but now it feels a bit stale.

So I made this backend template as a small protest as well, in a way, but it had a practical purpose as well which was to revive Rhuk's old "lite" template where he's incorporated a css menu system.

It was well recieved by the community as a whole, except when I posted on the mamboserver forums, when it was deleted, the followup thread was deleted, and I was banned.
From your ol' interview on Mamboportal it'd seem likely this aint the first time you've been in trouble on the forums there?

Heh, well, these are quite different times we're in now. In the past I've been known to be quite vocal with my opinions, many of which dealt with licensing, copyright issues and the relationship with Miro. Some of which dealt with the aftermath of the other discussions.

Even then, when I was banned several times and had posts deleted, there were usually fair warnings given.

This year especially the team seems to be much more solid, and the forum moderation has been top-notch. The current team running mamboserver forums are doing the worst job I've ever seen on any web forum I've ever been on.

I think most people will see that and move on the the united Joomla! community.
Dya reckon that them Miro varmits are plannin' to change existin' CMTs to their own likin'?

From what Jim Begley has said and the actions of Miro so far, I'd say it's very likely they will take advantage of the many 3PD CMTs to include into their own core code.

Adding MosCE without permission to the first Beta release, really sets a precedent for them to sift through all the components, modules and templates that have been made for the community and take their pick for their own usage.

I realise open source allows this, but open source is something that should really be used in conjunction with ethics. Miro's actions show a complete disregard for ethics.
That gang are really actin' like they can get away with anythin', dya think they will?

I keep thinking there must be a reason for Miro's total disregard for the existing community, and the way they seem not to care about that. Possibly Miro already have big deals lined up with their shiny new Mambo project, and they're just waiting for the dust to settle so they can really set up shop.

So yes. I think they'll be laughing all the way to the bank, unless it's discovered before then that something is very wrong with the way they've been conducting business.

So are ya workin' on anythin' new since the infamous OSM backend?
Right now I'm working on a completely experimental backend template, that is written from scratched and licensed under Creative Commons. I think it will change the way people look at backend templating.

Of course I have a few secret projects running, but if I told you they wouldn't be a secret!
Thankye for your time, pardner.
Thanks for the interview, and for publishing this informative and entertaining blog, Mr. Lone Mamber.
Why, these Joomla! community people are all quite kindly and got the smarts they do. I'm sure I'll hear from more of ya'll soon, there's plenty of stories still to be told, and yarns to be spun.

Thankye kindly for readin',

The Lone Mamber